[TPIN] Are Symphony Orchestras Today Too Loud?

[Cees van den Heuvel]

This is what causes the problem:
The sound check is done in an empty hall.
Then the hall fills up and things change, of course.
What they should do is only change the main level, if necessary.
What they do is change all the levels and kill the balance.
I've given up. They'll never learn.

Cees van den Heuvel
http://www.revivaljassband.nl

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Arndt" <darndt at oriongate.net>
To: "'Cees van den Heuvel'" <heu at bart.nl>; <RickTrumpetMan at aol.com>; 
<kurtzph at comcast.net>
Cc: <tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 1:56 AM
Subject: RE: [TPIN] Are Symphony Orchestras Today Too Loud?


>>>The best sound techs b.t.w. are the ones that leave the mixer after five
> minutes.....
>
> Excellent point.  This hits so close to home it's not funny.
>
> We do extensive sound checks before the first set, get the balance to a
> point where playing is easy and sweet...
>
> ...then once the evening starts, the sound techs keep hacking with the
> levels, and by the end of the night (after the 3rd or 4th set) you feel 
> like
> your playing into a pillow...
>
> Egads...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tpin-bounces at tpin.okcu.edu [mailto:tpin-bounces at tpin.okcu.edu] On
> Behalf Of Cees van den Heuvel
> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 6:52 PM
> To: RickTrumpetMan at aol.com; kurtzph at comcast.net
> Cc: tpin at tpin.okcu.edu
> Subject: Re: [TPIN] Are Symphony Orchestras Today Too Loud?
>
>
>> I think at one time we were part of a contingent of this discussion
>> (and I still believe it) that if sound tech wants a trumpet player in
>> an amplified setting to deliver fewer DB's to the mic (overall) they
>> should  turn the player up in the monitors and not down.
>
> It's as simple as that! But sound techs are hard to convince, or just 
> plain
> stupid.
> If, in amplified circumstances, you want an instrument to play softer, 
> give
> him more feed back on the monitors, and he'll adjust to that. I'm afraid
> they will never get the point.
> Another simple solution is putting the complete mix on all the monitors,
> reverb included if present, this will lead to a balanced result. A good
> musician will adapt to blend. Tell that to sound techs and you'll get
> strange reactions.
> That's why I always do the mix and monitors myself on a simple sound 
> system
> and feed a line-out signal to the P.A.
> Never failed, and the sound techs can't screw up an can get an extra beer
> and leave. The best sound techs b.t.w.
> are the ones that leave the mixer after five minutes.....
>
>
> Cees van den Heuvel
> http://www/revivaljassband.nl
>
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