[TPIN] Symphonic cornets

[Glenn Bengry]

Hey Graham,


      I think that the points you made are valid.  In later works esp late 
19th and early 20th the lines are more blurred since you have traditions in 
orchestration occurring side by side with the development and increased use 
and quality of valved trumpets.  In addition, you had the players' 
traditions in each region(european, russian, american regions etc.)  and 
even local and individual orchestra traditions.

     Similar questions abound regarding the use of rotary trumpets on 
Beethoven and other composers especially by American orchestras.  It seems 
increasingly that the major orchestras in the states are using rotary 
trumpets on such works and that on auditions it is being required that 
certain excerpts be played on rotary trumpets.  I don't remember seeing any 
excerpts where players were required to play cornets.

     Don't a lot of the German orchestras play rotary trumpets on pieces 
that were composed for piston trumpets(not necessarily marked that way)?

     The use of "period" instruments is a whole discussion in itself.  Is 
the use of "period" instruments to make the piece better?  Were "period" 
instruments written for because the modern instruments were not yet 
available?

      That brings up the whole topic of "stopped" notes for both trumpet and 
horn.  they were sometimes used to create another pitch on natural tpts and 
horns alike.  Mendelsohn tried to write chromatic parts using stopped notes 
for trumpets.  They ditched the idea at the first rehearsal.

      There are probably no right or wrong answers here but plenty of 
opinions and individual cases between composers, time periods, orchestras, 
regions, conductors, individual sections and players.


glenn

>From: "Graham Young" <gjyoung at mountaincable.net>
>To: "'Andy Del'" <trumpetplayer at optusnet.com.au>, <Trptmast at aol.com>,       
>  <jon at yakatus.com>, <tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
>Subject: RE: [TPIN] Symphonic cornets
>Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 13:24:30 -0400
>
>I think saying cornets are optional is a not accurate at all. It is a best 
>a
>convenience.
>
>It supposes that Debussy did not know the difference between a cornet and a
>C trumpet both of which where certainly available when he wrote La Mer.
>Similarly with Vaughn-Williams,Frank and many other late 19th and 20th
>century composers.
>
>Berlioz is earlier and somewhat arguable but not later composers when both
>chromatic trumpets and cornets were available and in common usage.
>Even on Berlioz the sound with natural trumpets and cornets is very
>appealing. He was likely  making a sound picture of contemporary military
>bands and wanted that mix. In the Witches Sabbbath he uses 2 ophecleides to
>Imitate the church music convenetions of the time.
>
>I cannot think of a major orchestra that would use trumpets in place of
>cornets. On the CSO La Mer DVD cornets are clearly visible.
>The Canadian National Ballet uses cornets on Tchaikovsky ballets
>
>
>
>
>GrahamYoung B.Mus B.Ed
>Hamilton Musician Services
>(905) 928-4671
>gjyoung at mountaincable.net
>-----Original Message-----
>From: tpin-bounces at tpin.okcu.edu [mailto:tpin-bounces at tpin.okcu.edu] On
>Behalf Of Andy Del
>Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 4:30 PM
>To: Trptmast at aol.com; jon at yakatus.com; tpin at tpin.okcu.edu
>Subject: RE: [TPIN] Symphonic cornets
>
>Hi Paul
>
>I'm curious as to why you think this is the case. Didn't the composer
>wrote for two different instruments, which had (in the time of
>Tchaikovsky for example) different playing traditions and very different
>timbres?
>
>Cheers
>
>Andy
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Behalf Of Trptmast at aol.com
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>To: jon at yakatus.com; tpin at tpin.okcu.edu
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>
>The actual use of cornets is optional.
>
>Paul R
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