[TPIN] Good or bad,..here it is

[Byron D. Jones]

The Cflat is the 11th in the chord. It sounds good to me, and relatively 
normal in jazz.
Byron

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Deaton" <mdeaton at ix.netcom.com>
To: "'Jeff Helgesen'" <jeff.helgesen at gmail.com>; "'Jon Trimble'" 
<jontrimble at cox.net>
Cc: <tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 7:43 PM
Subject: RE: [TPIN] Good or bad,..here it is


> Speaking of transcriptions, I've been doing a study of Chet Baker's work
> recently, and have taken it upon myself to transcribe the solos off his
> "Chet Baker in Tokyo" album -- a fantastic piece of work!  I just started
> working on the first cut, which is Miles Davis' Four.  After the break, he
> lands squarely on a C-flat whole note over an FM7 chord.  Fascinating!
> That's not something I would have thought to do, for sure.  I'd be happy 
> to
> share the transcription with anyone who wants a copy when I'm done (I can
> scan it to a PDF doc and e-mail it).  It should take me another couple of
> days to wrap it up.  It's a great solo, and he consistently plays... 
> ahem...
> "wrong notes" in places that make my head spin.  What a brilliant musician
> he was!!
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tpin-bounces at tpin.okcu.edu [mailto:tpin-bounces at tpin.okcu.edu] On
> Behalf Of Jeff Helgesen
> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 6:53 PM
> To: Jon Trimble
> Cc: tpin at tpin.okcu.edu
> Subject: Re: [TPIN] Good or bad,..here it is
>
> Jon:
>
> Okay, I'll keep prattling a bit and hope that others will chime in as 
> well.
> All of my comments should be taken with a grain of salt, I'm not an 
> educator
> or even a full-time player anymore, just someone who likes to think about
> these things in the hopes that I can answer a question once in a blue 
> moon.
> :-)
>
> "Inside playing" is all about reinforcing chord tones.  The most inside
> improvised solos will, more often than not, reinforce (play) chord tones 
> or
> inferred chord extensions on the beats.
>
> Practically speaking, it's almost impossible to play a convincing jazz 
> solo
> following this "rule", so we incorporate things like anticipation/delay of
> resolution and other devices (e.g., rhythmic devices, quoting tunes or
> "cliches" [licks passed along through performance practice], etc.) to make
> the solo more interesting.
>
> Alot of this can be absorbed through >>very focused listening<< and
>>>transfer to the horn<<.  Loading up the iPod or whatever with Blue
> Mitchell is all well and good, but unless you get into the nuts and bolts 
> of
> the devices being used (you may be doing this, I'm speaking generally), 
> you
> don't get a whole lot out of this.  It's kind of like trying to learn 
> about
> movie making by watching a movie...you have to focus your observation and
> then try and generalize what you observe in ways you can apply.
>
> I hope that doesn't sound more complicated than I mean it to be.  But 
> you're
> basically trying to learn and apply very basic compositional practices to
> performance on the fly, and it requires some rewiring of the head to do 
> it.
>
> As evidenced by the samples you provided, you are already "making the
> changes".  This is a good place to be.  At this point, I'd be adopting a
> sound model (Derek, my mind's eye sees you generalizing a response 
> already)
> and coming up with a plan for trying to do a compare-and-generalize plan 
> for
> trying to incorporate what you like from the player you choose.
>
> I hate to beat a dead horse, but memorization/transcription is a great way
> to do this.  Your time constraints may make transcription impossible.
>
> My recommendation would be to pick a tune over which you anticipate having
> to solo over the next week(s)/month(s), find a solo that represents some
> techniques you'd like to master, and then we can talk about how you can go
> about approaching that.  Does "Perdido" fit that bill, and if so, do you
> have any recordings of players soloing over the tune that you like alot?
> (It might even be someone you're playing with -- it's okay to steal from
> your neighbor in this case -- :-] ...)
>
> Cheers,
> Jeff
> (happy to have something to contribute for a change...)
>
> --
> Jeff Helgesen
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