[TPIN] Good or bad,..here it is

[William Benzon]

The good ones can control just how far "in" or "out" they play. Once you can
do that you have another technique for developing a solo. Start out way
inside and then get more and more adventuresome until it sounds like you're
completely lost and then WHAM! You drop right back inside.

And you can go out rhythmically, while staying within the harmonic
framework, or go out harmonically while keeping the rhythm going.

Playing outside really well is not easy to do. You don't do it my simply
"letting it all hang out," as though you just "turn off all the rules" and
letting chips fall where they may. You can do that, but the result is just
noodling and nonsense. Playing outside doesn't mean "no rules" it means
playing with different kinds of rules. But rules they are and rule they do.

Later,

Bill b
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on 11/2/06 10:27 AM, Byron D. Jones at reddogremodelers at kc.rr.com wrote:

> Ah, we digress.
> Funny, I had this conversation a couple of weeks ago with our sax man. In
> his opinion, in jazz (free jazz mostly) anything goes. That isn't to say
> that you plunk out "wrong" notes and try to make them sound right, but these
> folks (I'm not one of them) love to explore the "taboo" notes and play
> dissonants to build solos upon. I wish I could sustain these types of solos,
> but never have been able to do it for more than a phrase at a time. I know
> some folks who can do it all night.
> I tend to be more of a melodic player. Jon's solos tend to be normal,
> melodically. He has some players around him in Branson who push the envelope
> (Caldwell, the sax man for one). I have always envied the folks who can
> sustain these "avant garde" solos over a whole chorus or sets of choruses.
> Let the flames lap over me!!!
> Byron
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Helgesen" <jeff.helgesen at gmail.com>
> To: "Byron D. Jones" <reddogremodelers at kc.rr.com>
> Cc: <tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:18 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: [TPIN] Good or bad,..here it is
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