[BULK] Re: [TPIN] electromechanicals (was Re: How the TonightShow...)

[Rod Brawn]

Hi Gang,
    would we then put a piano like keyboard on the instrument, like a Hohner
Melodica. My dad used to have a lot of fun with his.  When he played it it
could be made to sound like a section of horns, and the use of breath made
it really fun to hear.  I suppose with some electronic. Again this is not
brass instrument talk. Maybe the electronic equipment could regulate the use
of several bells,
This thread starts to make us think of different timbres created by
trumpets in different keys.

Rod
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kellogg, Steve" <skellogg at circortech.com>
To: "Greg Goodknight" <good at nccn.net>; <elw at workman-net.org>
Cc: "Tpin" <tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:53 PM
Subject: RE: [BULK] Re: [TPIN] electromechanicals (was Re: How the
TonightShow...)


> As long as we are moving slides...why not eliminate the valves entirely
> and just motorize one main slide (like a trombone). You would eliminate
> 2 costly motorized slide assemblies and reduce the power requirements
> needed by them. As a bonus, the technology could be applied to the
> trombone as well.
> Stephen Kellogg
>
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> Subject: [BULK] Re: [TPIN] electromechanicals (was Re: How the Tonight
> Show...)
> Importance: Low
>
> Ellis Workman wrote:
>
> >A characteristic trumpet sound has a "proper balance"
> >of 3 components:
> >
> >   - signal
> >   - noise
> >   - whatever random features are contributed by a living
> >     breathing human being. i.e. minute changes in pitch,
> >     intensity, and the SNR (signal to noise ratio)
> >
> >Remove the third component and and our "loud and lofty" art is made
> >obsolete.
> >
> >-Ellis
> >
> >
> I'm not talking about sensing and trying to correct every note, just
> detecting which "valve" combination is being used, which overtone is
> being produced and adjusting the length the same each time (perhaps
> still with some adjustment, using the now idle left hand thumb against
> some sensor, or even a foot pedal). The "third component" would be
> UNTOUCHED by the instruments I was thinking about. Enharmonic systems
> (like my antique Besson cornet and professional tubas and euphonia)
> provide two settings for the first and second valve lengths based on the
> position of the third valve.  What I'm talking about would not eliminate
> the "third component" any more than an Enharmonic instrument does. A
> 21st century enharmonic system.
>
> Be a little adventurous. ;) It would be fun to have a trumpet that would
> automatically have the one previously chosen corrected length for every
> note.  The same basic electronics could detect valve combinations and
> adjust existing valve slides on an existing soprano brass instrument,
> and easier to prototype on an instrument that already has triggers on
> 1&3.
>
> Someone who can't play in tune with a normal instrument would still be
> incapable of playing in tune with this Robotrumpet (tm) :) . You'd still
> have to listen to everyone and accept the group pitch, and occasionally
> lip high or low depending on the note in the chord you are playing. It
> would be a interesting design exercise, I'd try to do it myself if I
> thought there was a chance of a commercial success.
>
> -Greg
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