[TPIN] - Warning "Lip twisting ismythology!"-TPIN community
recommendation
reddogremodelers at kc.rr.com
reddogremodelers at kc.rr.com
Mon Aug 20 11:50:06 CDT 2007
Whew!
This thread got pretty hot, pretty quick. Sounds like everyone has now
gotten all sides of the issue. Let me just say that in my case, the
twisting thing is pretty harmless unless you do it to extreme. It
actually feels kinda good to me, when my chops are in good shape. It
doesn't feel too good when I've slipped out of shape. I think the
theory is that if you have strong chops, the little twist gets the
blood moving when you can't put the mpc to the lips. That's all.
Jesus did not say it was a "secret way to get good chops", by the way.
And, again, I'm very sorry if anyone in TPIN land construed this
reporting of mine (the conversation with Jesus) as a new pedogogy that
must be followed.
Do what works for you, and disregard the rest...as they say in Al-Anon
Nothing substitutes for practice or playing the horn!
Regards
Byron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel,John" <john.daniel at lawrence.edu>
Date: Monday, August 20, 2007 10:04 am
Subject: Re: [TPIN] - Warning "Lip twisting ismythology!"-TPIN
community recommendation
To: Steve Roiland <sjrtrumpet1 at hotmail.com>, badnote at cox.net,
reddogremodelers at kc.rr.com, Vaxtrpts at aol.com, soundpretty at hotmail.com,
tpin at tpin.okcu.edu
> I think we are missing the point a bit here. First of
> all, we don't really know what the guy meant by "twisting"
> his lip, or really, just what he was doing. The fact that
> he would mention it as a secret to his success is really
> the interesting thing about this thread. Many if not most
> of us have asymetrical lips and protruding teeth. The
> original post mentioned a very unusual lip shape. While
> I've never used the word "twist" to describe embouchure
> formation, I know I could never play the trumpet without
> some uniqueness to the way I set my lips together when I
> play. It isn't something that can or should be taught,
> necessarily. But there are unique features to everyone's
> embouchure that will develop in order to compensate for
> their unique physical features. We have to recognize the
> difference between general principles or "master keys"
> that will help everyone vs. individual quirks.
>
> When a good player(especially one with a unique set up)
> without a teaching track record gets a soapbox, look out!
> For example, if you don't have a gap between your front
> teeth, you probably can't play with a clenched jaw, go
> figure!
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:23:25 -0500
> "Steve Roiland" <sjrtrumpet1 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > My purpose was not to flame anyone. TPIN is a community
> >made up of trumpeters ranging from top professionals to
> >beginners. As a member of this community it is our
> >responsibility to quickly and efficiently identify any
> >practices which add to the destructive mythology that
> >could hurt our fellow players. The internet is ripe with
> >bastards who create programs solely for the purpose of
> >harming communication and computation for others.
> > Complete disregard for the health and safety of others
> >and activity that has no logical agenda other than to :
> >gather attention or some how profit from disillussioning
> >others needs to be policed by TPIN members. Given the
> >number of exceptional teachers and musicians on TPIN I
> >submit that any posting here could be taken as an
> >endorsement. It's not my place to censor anyone. I
> >would suggest that any posting which could be construed
> >to endorse a potentially harmful activity should be
> >labled by the poster as MYTH or JOKE or UNPROVEN.
> > As a guy who suffered through his share of incorrect
> >diaphram dogma and unusable mouthpieces I want to defend
> >TPIN's reputation through vigilence.
> >
> > Steve Roiland
> >
> >>From: "badnote" <badnote at cox.net>
> >>To: "Steve Roiland"
>
>><sjrtrumpet1 at hotmail.com>,<reddogremodelers at kc.rr.com>,<Vaxtrpts at aol.
com>,<soundpretty at hotmail.com>,<tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
> >>Subject: Re: [TPIN] salsa tpt writing and playing -
> >>Warning "Lip twisting ismythology!"
> >>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:07:49 -0400
> >>
> >>All,
> >>
> >>I know this really great trumpet player who not only
> >>twists his mpc on his chops (like screws it into his
> >>face) he also grinds his rim on the concrete to get more
> >>grip. It seemed to work for him and he is a pro player
> >>that if you go to youtube and check out high note videos
> >>then you have seen this guy play. I would tell you his
> >>name but that might not be fair to him. Not that I
> >>advocate this type of playing but he is a friend of mine
> >>and it works for him so I know that they are out there so
> >>it is no joke.
> >>
> >>John Castleman
> >>
> >>BTW he has a triple c too.
> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Roiland"
> >><sjrtrumpet1 at hotmail.com>
> >>To: <reddogremodelers at kc.rr.com>; <Vaxtrpts at aol.com>;
> >><soundpretty at hotmail.com>; <tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
> >>Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:38 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [TPIN] salsa tpt writing and playing -
> >>Warning "Lip twisting ismythology!"
> >>
> >>
> >>I hope and pray no one falls for this swisting the upper
> >>lip crap. If this
> >>is a joke, its a joke submitted to the worst possible
> >>forum. Let's search
> >>for the truth and avoid all of this mythology. My best
> >>note is triple C. I
> >>was trained by Leon who knew something about range.
> >>
> >>Steve Roiland
> >>
> >>
> >>>From: "Byron Jones" <reddogremodelers at kc.rr.com>
> >>>Reply-To: Byron Jones <reddogremodelers at kc.rr.com>
> >>>To: <Vaxtrpts at aol.com>, <soundpretty at hotmail.com>,
> >>><tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
> >>>Subject: Re: [TPIN] salsa tpt writing and playing
> >>>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:58:45 -0500
> >>>
> >>>I got to talk to Jesus Alemaney (lead trumpet and band
> >>>leader) for a minute when we opened for them in Lawrence,
> >>>Kansas a few years ago. He has an incredible V on his
> >>>upper lip. I think it protrudes down a good 3/4". Got him
> >>>to sign my CD...I think they have a bunch of CDs and all
> >>>that I have heard are amazing. By the way, Jesus's uncle
> >>>plays lead in the section.. older guy who usually wears a
> >>>hat.
> >>>Jesus said the way they like to practice to build chops
> >>>is to actually twist that upper lip. I think we talked
> >>>about this technique a couple of years ago.... He keeps
> >>>twisting it when he isn't playing, to build up the lip.
> >>>He can blow at the same level for hours at a time......A
> >>>week after we played with them, they were on A Prairie
> >>>Home Companion, live.... They must have gotten the whole
> >>>world in tour that year!
> >>>Byron
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Vaxtrpts at aol.com
> >>> To: reddogremodelers at kc.rr.com ;
> >>>soundpretty at hotmail.com ;
> >>>tpin at tpin.okcu.edu
> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 7:44 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [TPIN] salsa tpt writing and playing
> >>>
> >>>
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