[TPIN] - Warning "Lip twisting ismythology!"-TPIN community recommendation

Mon Aug 20 14:36:17 CDT 2007

All,

No problems here! I merely just wanted to tell you all about this crazy good 
friend of mine that twists his chops. I used to have him take his rim off 
his 42 M reeves so that I could see what he was doing on the inside. We used 
to laugh at him as he was doing it. All of us on the gig could not believe 
he could even make a sound with those chops, but he did and he was and 
continues to sound really great.

John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel,John" <john.daniel at lawrence.edu>
To: "Steve Roiland" <sjrtrumpet1 at hotmail.com>; <badnote at cox.net>; 
<reddogremodelers at kc.rr.com>; <Vaxtrpts at aol.com>; <soundpretty at hotmail.com>; 
<tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [TPIN] - Warning "Lip twisting ismythology!"-TPIN community 
recommendation

>I think we are missing the point a bit here.  First of all, we don't really 
>know what the guy meant by "twisting" his lip, or really, just what he was 
>doing.  The fact that he would mention it as a secret to his success is 
>really the interesting thing about this thread.  Many if not most of us 
>have asymetrical lips and protruding teeth.  The original post mentioned a 
>very unusual lip shape. While I've never used the word "twist" to describe 
>embouchure formation, I know I could never play the trumpet without some 
>uniqueness to the way I set my lips together when I play.  It isn't 
>something that can or should be taught, necessarily.  But there are unique 
>features to everyone's embouchure that will develop in order to compensate 
>for their unique physical features.  We have to recognize the difference 
>between general principles or "master keys" that will help everyone vs. 
>individual quirks.
>
> When a good player(especially one with a unique set up) without a teaching 
> track record gets a soapbox, look out!
> For example, if you don't have a gap between your front teeth, you 
> probably can't play with a clenched jaw, go figure!
>
> John
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> On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:23:25 -0500
>  "Steve Roiland" <sjrtrumpet1 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> My purpose was not to flame anyone.  TPIN is a community made up of 
>> trumpeters ranging from top professionals to beginners.  As a member of 
>> this community it is our responsibility to quickly and efficiently 
>> identify any practices which add to the destructive mythology that could 
>> hurt our fellow players.  The internet is ripe with bastards who create 
>> programs solely for the purpose of harming communication and computation 
>> for others. Complete disregard for the health and safety of others and 
>> activity that has no logical agenda other than to : gather attention or 
>> some how profit from disillussioning others needs to be policed by TPIN 
>> members.  Given the number of exceptional teachers and musicians on TPIN 
>> I submit that any posting here could be taken as an endorsement.  It's 
>> not my place to censor anyone.  I would suggest that any posting which 
>> could be construed to endorse a potentially harmful activity should be 
>> labled by the poster as MYTH or JOKE or UNPROVEN.
>> As a guy who suffered through his share of incorrect diaphram dogma and 
>> unusable mouthpieces I want to defend TPIN's reputation through 
>> vigilence.
>>
>> Steve Roiland
>>
>>>From: "badnote" <badnote at cox.net>
>>>To: "Steve Roiland" 
>>><sjrtrumpet1 at hotmail.com>,<reddogremodelers at kc.rr.com>,<Vaxtrpts at aol.com>,<soundpretty at hotmail.com>,<tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
>>>Subject: Re: [TPIN] salsa tpt writing and playing - Warning "Lip twisting 
>>>ismythology!"
>>>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:07:49 -0400
>>>
>>>All,
>>>
>>>I know this really great trumpet player who not only twists his mpc on 
>>>his chops (like screws it into his face) he also grinds his rim on the 
>>>concrete to get more grip. It seemed to work for him and he is a pro 
>>>player that if you go to youtube and check out high note videos then you 
>>>have seen this guy play. I would tell you his name but that might not be 
>>>fair to him.  Not that I advocate this type of playing but he is a friend 
>>>of mine and it works for him so I know that they are out there so it is 
>>>no joke.
>>>
>>>John Castleman
>>>
>>>BTW he has a triple c too.
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Roiland" 
>>><sjrtrumpet1 at hotmail.com>
>>>To: <reddogremodelers at kc.rr.com>; <Vaxtrpts at aol.com>; 
>>><soundpretty at hotmail.com>; <tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
>>>Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 10:38 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [TPIN] salsa tpt writing and playing - Warning "Lip twisting 
>>>ismythology!"
>>>
>>>
>>>I hope and pray no one falls for this swisting the upper lip crap.  If 
>>>this
>>>is a joke, its a joke submitted to the worst possible forum.  Let's 
>>>search
>>>for the truth and avoid all of this mythology.  My best note is triple C. 
>>>I
>>>was trained by Leon who knew something about range.
>>>
>>>Steve Roiland
>>>
>>>
>>>>From: "Byron Jones" <reddogremodelers at kc.rr.com>
>>>>Reply-To: Byron Jones <reddogremodelers at kc.rr.com>
>>>>To: <Vaxtrpts at aol.com>, <soundpretty at hotmail.com>, <tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
>>>>Subject: Re: [TPIN] salsa tpt writing and playing
>>>>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:58:45 -0500
>>>>
>>>>I got to talk to Jesus Alemaney (lead trumpet and band leader) for a 
>>>>minute when we opened for them in Lawrence, Kansas a few years ago. He 
>>>>has an incredible V on his upper lip. I think it protrudes down a good 
>>>>3/4". Got him to sign my CD...I think they have a bunch of CDs and all 
>>>>that I have heard are amazing. By the way, Jesus's uncle plays lead in 
>>>>the section.. older guy who usually wears a hat.
>>>>Jesus said the way they like to practice to build chops is to actually 
>>>>twist that upper lip. I think we talked about this technique a couple of 
>>>>years ago.... He keeps twisting it when he isn't playing, to build up 
>>>>the lip. He can blow at the same level for hours at a time......A week 
>>>>after we played with them, they were on A Prairie Home Companion, 
>>>>live.... They must have gotten the whole world in tour that year!
>>>>Byron
>>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>>   From: Vaxtrpts at aol.com
>>>>   To: reddogremodelers at kc.rr.com ; soundpretty at hotmail.com ; 
>>>> tpin at tpin.okcu.edu
>>>>   Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 7:44 PM
>>>>   Subject: Re: [TPIN] salsa tpt writing and playing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   In a message dated 8/19/2007 2:07:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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