[TPIN] Benge Trumpets: Brightness Factor

[badnote]

So, would a gold plated Bundy be better than say a silver 1930 Large Bore 
Bach strad. (time capsule condition)? Just kidding of course!

John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leon Merian" <lmerian at tampabay.rr.com>
To: "badnote" <badnote at cox.net>; "Byron Jones" <reddogremodelers at kc.rr.com>; 
<tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [TPIN] Benge Trumpets: Brightness Factor


> GOLD  IS  BEST  !!!            LEON
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "badnote" <badnote at cox.net>
> To: "Byron Jones" <reddogremodelers at kc.rr.com>; <tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 1:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [TPIN] Benge Trumpets: Brightness Factor
>
>
>> Here is my $.02. It is always hard to compare 2 horns back to back. You
>> could take 5 bach 37 ml silver horns with consecutive serial #s and they
> all
>> will play differently due to a variety of manufacturing issues too
> numerous
>> to mention here (consult more expert sources such as Schilke's testing of
>> plating/lacquer). So your raw brass and silver benge might give you
>> incorrect play test results if you try them back to back.  My best advice
> is
>> that lacquer tends to deaden a horns vibrations and that many players
>> mistake this for a dark sound. actually out in the room (not behind the
>> horn) the plaetd or unlacquered horn stands a chance of having more
> presence
>> or overtones in the sound and therefore more life. behind the horn 
>> however
>> the lacquered horn may sound more dark (dead). HOwever, I have played 
>> some
>> lacquered Mt. Vernons and Pre-War Bessons that were out of this world. 
>> Was
>> that lacquer or craftsmanship? It is always best to just play a horn and
> if
>> you like it.............play it. That being said, I do not presently own 
>> a
>> lacquered instrument. I have had great results stripping lacquer or 
>> having
>> the silver off (which according to Schilke does not make much difference)
> I
>> personally thought it freed the horn up. But this is just my personal
>> preference. Oh yes, I know a guy in Fla. that stripped his lacquered 5X
> and
>> it sound as dark as any horn I ever heard. And on the other hand I have
>> played some vintage MLP Benges which I thought were amazing (for lead 
>> that
>> is).Before Nick Payton got his Conn deal he could be seen playing a
>> lacquered Mt. Vernon trumpet and Wayne Bergeron is currently hawking a
>> Yamaha with lacquer (whether he actually plays it I do not know). How
> about
>> Terel Stafford and his lacquered/brushed Selmer Chorus 80 J which is a
> fine
>> axe I think. He is pretty top drawer too! So, I guess if you have a
>> lacquered axe that roars.......use it or if you have a silver one use 
>> that
>> too. ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Byron Jones" <reddogremodelers at kc.rr.com>
>> To: <tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 12:57 PM
>> Subject: [TPIN] Benge Trumpets: Brightness Factor
>>
>>
>> > When I bought my first Benge, back in '70, I was told that the horns
>> > tended to be "bright" in sound, and to get a lacquer horn rather than a
>> > silver finish. I wonder if any one has one that they have in raw brass,
>> > and how that affects the Brigthness Factor.Or a lacquer verus silver
>> > discussion?
>> > Byron
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