[TPIN] (Was Maynard / heir flame)/who's buying cd's?

Mon Feb 5 11:55:14 CST 2007

Interesting enough on the topic of kids buying cd's a few of the neighbor 
kids (ages 10-17) heard some of the things I was playing on my stereo.  They 
were fascinated by such a sound.  They just had to get their hands on the 
Buddy Rich albums I was playing.  Really blew their mind with some Kenton 
too.  These kids are not players and the same that drive around thumping hip 
hop.  Really got a kick when one of them drove by the other day and they had 
Kenton's Send in the Clowns playing.  Can't wait to see him again and tell 
him I was one of John Harners students for a few years.
  My point is, maybe it's not the most widely chaseon music but there are 
still kids that appreciate a good big band aside from the dance where 
they're forced to listen to it.
Jon Trimble
jontrimble at suddenlink.net
http://myspace.com/jontrimble
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lenny Buttitta, Jr." <k6mms at yahoo.com>
To: <Vaxtrpts at aol.com>
Cc: <tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 10:56 AM
Subject: [TPIN] Hearts And Minds (Was Maynard / heir flame)


> Thanks you for your opinion. Everyone is entitled to one, so I won't argue 
> yours.
>
> To support mine one last time: does anyone know how many thousands of tee 
> shirts Maynard sold in
> the last year of his carreer? I would consider that a physical measure of 
> the level of "hearts and
> minds" that he was able to capture in the youth market.
>
> Does anyone know how many tee shirts that ALL of the groups that were 
> mentioned in Mike's post
> sold over the last year COMBINED? Probably not a fraction of what Maynard 
> did, but I don't know...
>
>
> Another question: when was the last time that a horn band had a top 10 hit 
> on the charts, let
> alone one FRONTED by a horn player? BST, Maynard, Chicago and Chase, and 
> lets see....anyone in
> this century?
>
> My point is this, you may think that Bid Bands aren't dead, but to get 
> back to the point of MY
> post, if you are not cultivating the next generation to take over, this 
> musical form will die from
> it's own neglect. We will get what we deserve, because no one is stepping 
> up to the plate.
>
> Pet projects, community bands and vanity concerts aside....who's taking 
> over?
>
> At least the Tonight Show and Letterman still have Big Bands out in front 
> for the kids to see.
> Oh wait...
>
> Kids want a show. Kids want flash. Kids don't want to listen to Begin The 
> Beguine (one of my
> favorites as a closet clarinet player). They just don't.
>
> Wake up call: they just DON'T
>
> Sure they'll dance to it at a show, but that's where it will end. They 
> just don't buy that style
> anymore. I'm talking about kids. NOT your friends, relatives, or drinking 
> buddies from
> back-in-the-day. I mean 15 year olds. The people who will be running the 
> world in 20 years. How
> many big band cd's do you think THEY own?
>
> Maynard re-invented the myth. He took the old scriptures, added youth, and 
> created something new.
> Still big band at it's core, but steeped in what was happening on the 
> radio TODAY, not 50 years
> ago. And he did it well. Thats why he worked with the kids.
>
> My question stands: who is going to take over?
>
>
>
> Toodles,
>
> Lenny B.
> San Jose, Ca.
> aka K6MMS
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Vaxtrpts at aol.com wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 2/4/2007 8:11:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>> k6mms at yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> In my  opinion, (no flames please) big band is dead. So dead it stinks. 
>> Don't
>> get me  wrong, I love
>> BB, in fact my first album as a kid was Glenn Miller "Gold"  back when my
>> frinds were buying Bee
>> Gees records. For example, Harry  Connick's time as a Superstar has past. 
>> I'm
>> sure he'll continue
>> to thrill  us TPIN'ers for some time to come, and then he'll get a 
>> residence
>> at a Casino  in Vegas
>> and headline himself into Mega Wealth. But no one is targeting the  kids
>> anymore.
>> Maynard had the bullseye of high schools in his sights until  the end. He
>> didn't just go to pick
>> their pockets for a concert dough  either. He came to teach. He was a 
>> jazz
>> Evangelist, and he
>> brought fire  down upon even the most rock-jaded teenagers 
>> night-after-night,
>> generation  after
>> generation. Big, Old, Fat Maynard kicked ass and took names until the 
>> day he
>> DIED. End of story.
>> Big Bands SUCK on rock tunes. Period. But not  Maynard's. Why the 
>> difference?
>> Because even as an old man Maynard new that to  sound young you had to be
>> young, so he farmed the schools for the best players  around (besides, 
>> they
>> worked cheap) And, young players helped attract young  audiences.
>> So it comes down to this: will anyone with the proper chops and  ability 
>> to
>> work with kids ever
>> come this way again?
>> Regardless, we need  a NEW evangelist desparately, or else we are looking 
>> at
>> a future where  all
>> kids know about horns is that once upon a time Gwen Steffani was in a 
>> band
>> that had some.
>> Sad...
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> To everyone on TPIN:
>> Pardon me for copying so much of this person's message.  I don't know 
>> your
>> name - "K6mms."  You will see why I copied the message in a  minute.
>> I have read this thread with lots of interest and agreement about there 
>> not
>> being a "Maynard Heir."  Maynard was one of a kind.  I agree that no  one
>> would be able to have the same charisma as Maynard did in front of his 
>> band,  no
>> matter what kind of range they might have on a trumpet.  I watched and
>> listened to him in awe for 50 years.  I did get to play many charts with 
>> his name on
>> them in the Kenton Orchestra and once made a joke to him about those 
>> charts
>> being "easy" for him, but nobody else.
>> I think the many messages about Wayne, Eric, Scott, Stan Mark and others 
>> are
>> wonderful.  All of those guys are MARVELOUS players and do understand 
>> that
>> no one will ever actually take Maynard's place.
>> NOW - that all being said.................................
>> K6mms - you are WRONG.  You asked for no "flaming," but you left 
>> yourself
>> wide open for it.
>> 1. Big Bands are NOT dead. They are performing all over the country 
>> today.
>> 2. MANY of those bands are performing for and working with young  people.
>> 3. These bands ARE targeting young people.
>> 4. How many of these newer big bands all over the country, have you heard
>> play rock charts?  I have heard some wonderful bands playing rock 
>> oriented  big
>> band music that sounded fantastic.
>> 5. I guess you don't know about our Kenton Alumni who go out on tour 
>> almost
>> every year to play IN SCHOOLS.  Our band has been traveling and playing 
>> in
>> schools for the past 15 years.  And yes we do FREE clinics every 
>> afternoon,
>> wherever we are performing that night.  No, I can't say that we are a 
>> band  full
>> of young musicians, but we do communicate with the kids quite well.   If 
>> you
>> could see Bob Florence, Gary Hobbs, Kim Richmond, Scott Whitfield, Dennis
>> Noday, Carl Saunders, Marvin Stamm and the other different members that 
>> have  done
>> our tours, work with the eager young students, you would know that there 
>> are
>> many musicians out there who are still putting the "gospel" of jazz and 
>> big
>> band music out to these young people.
>> Big Bands are NOT so "dead it stinks."  There are  more independent big 
>> band
>> CD's out now, than almost any other time in the  history of the music. 
>> Is the
>> big band ever coming back as a "mainstay" of  the pop music field?  No! 
>> Is
>> it going away any time soon?   I DON'T THINK SO.  And in keeping with the
>> "trumpet topic" for our list,  lets see -- big bands lead by today's 
>> trumpet
>> players?
>> Wayne Bergeron
>> Carl Saunders
>> Steve Huffsteter
>> Dennis Noday
>> Dave Stahl
>> John Daversa
>> Wynton Marsallis
>> Jon Faddis
>> Leon Merian
>> Louis Fazman
>> Fred Radke
>> Dan McMillion
>> Eric Myashiro
>> Mike Barone
>> Rich Wetzel
>> Jim Oatts
>> Many,  many others, and yes....
>> even Mike Vax
>>
>>
>>
>>
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