[TPIN] [Excerpt from Trumpeting By Nature]

Sun Feb 18 10:49:16 CST 2007

Hi, Jim, et al:

  I think the point is that it IS a *trumpet family tree*

  We all have teachers (immediate teachers with whom we have studied, in person, over a length of time).

We all have *grand-teachers* (those who taught OUR teachers).

  But I think  we also have *aunts/uncles*, extended family, as it were, who would include those with whom we've worked in master classes, single meeting lessons, and even, perhaps, *cousins* or those with whom we've performed on a regular basis (from whom we have learned, whether we realize it or not!).

  Those who wind up reading and working through *Trumpeting By Nature* will, indeed, be *taught* concepts, approaches and principles which I learned at the side of my teachers.

But they will also learn things which I have developed through dozens of years of teaching and decades of performing.

  Corollary to the book will be the establishment of  a website with soundfiles and video clips to supplement the book itself (eventually I hope to produce a companion DVD for the same purpose).

  Each of us is the product of input by MANY other trumpeters (and I include the many years of interaction here on TPIN in that group!).

  I hope I never find myself in a place where I believe myself incapable of learning from others.

  Take Care!
Jeanne

James Klages <james.klages at gmail.com> wrote:
  Hello everyone.
I have watched this discussion developing for a while. I think the root of
this is gratitude to those who have helped us -* this is something that
should never be discouraged*- and is akin to my policy of saying
*thank you*to someone who compliments a performance I just completed -
even if I
privately thought it was terrible. To say something otherwise insults the
person giving the complement.

Tracing a trumpeting family tree is very interesting and important and
should not be considered bragging in and of itself. Having the greatest
teachers does not mean anything in and of itself. The question remains- what
did you do with what you learned? The character and history of the person
telling story gives the context.

I have tried to convey the sense of history and tradition to my students as
a matter of course. In the context of passing this on, I always say that I
do not consider myself to oild my teacher's valves. This is not an
affectaton.

I am the student of James F. Burke, William B. Dederer, Charlse Gorham,
Edmond Cord, John Rommel, and others. Mr Burke's teachers includes Ernest S.
Williams and Del Staigers- names that go back to the riseof the
valved cornet and trumpet in the U.S.

This whole list could be extended for many pages but not in this context
today.

Jim Klages

On 2/16/07, WAYNE TRAGER wrote:
>
> < TRUMPET TRIBUTES
> > The Trumpet Family Tree:
> >
> > You, by virtue of reading this book, are a student of Jeanne Gabriel
> >Pocius
> >
> > Who is a student of:.........>>
> followed later by:
> You've made my point right here for me... INFLUENCES! There is a HUGE
> difference in saying someone INFLUENCED you than saying you were one of
> their students. Again, it is about being MISLEADING. I'm not going to
> argue with what you teach, but I do think that sometimes your presentation
> of "said material" comes across in a misleading manner. And then you play
> all little miss innocent... ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> I usually don't respond to many posts on TPIN, but this post has me
> totally intrigued. First we have the semantics of what it means to be
> a student, followed by the semantic differences between what it means to
> study with someone verses being influenced by someone. I would like to
> address these issues very briefly, and possibly shed a different light on
> this topic.
> First of all, I see both sides of this discussion very clearly, and see
> relevant points made on both sides.
> Jeanne, with all due respect, this family tree introduction can definitely
> open you up for some negative criticism. I have taken lessons from a lot of
> different teachers, and I don't consider myself a student of those teachers
> if I only took a few lessons with them. I certainly wouldn't consider myself
> a student of yours after reading your book. The premise that because I was a
> student of one teacher, that I somehow became a student of all the teachers
> that they studied with is IMHO ridiculous. This family tree introduction
> sort of reminds me of the "Six Degrees of Separation" game that we used to
> play at parties.
> Mark, with all due respect, I agree with your reasoning that perhaps the
> term "INFLUENCED" is more appropriate than "STUDIED WITH", but I do feel
> that you are flame baiting with your "KOOL AID" comment. I don't think for
> one minute that Jeanne is trying to mislead anybody.
> Now that I got that off my chest! How about this scenario? I study with a
> teacher for 6 months. I leave that teacher with very negative feelings. Did
> that teacher influence me? Of course they did, but negatively. Now I tell my
> students 10 years later that I was a student of this teacher and that
> teacher and this other teacher, and they all influenced me. Would I be
> telling the truth? Of course I would be, BUT I didn't mention to the student
> how those teachers influenced me. Now what if the student I am teaching is
> taking lessons from me because I was a student of this teacher that
> negatively influenced me? Do I only list the teachers that had a positive
> affect on me? Even if I became a better teacher because of this negative
> experience that I had, vowing to never teach like that teacher taught me?
> I just thought that this would make an interesting topic for discussion.
> Sincerely,
> Wayne Trager
>
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Dr. James L. Klages
Professor of Trumpet
School of Music
University of Central Oklahoma
Edmond, OK 73034
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