[TPIN] "True Bach/Primative??

[Stephen Kellogg]

I don't know about the quality of the new Bach horns; I've never seen one. 
>From reading the previous e-mail threads I conclude that we are talking 
about a quality that modern manufacturing techniques have a tendency to omit 
from the current production line. In the interest of meeting consumer demand 
and maximizing profits for the shareholders, quality is sometimes sacrificed 
in the rush to "get the order out." In the short term, for an established 
product, the faster you get the product shipped, the quicker you see a 
profit for the stockholders. The bosses can show wonderful quarterly results 
and get their bonuses. Everybody in "the company" is happy. That works in 
the short term until shoddy workmanship and lack of attention to detail 
tarnishes the reputation of the previously established product. The result; 
word gets out and consumers decide to shop elsewhere. It's a business 
philosophy driven by the appetite for short term profits that has to change. 
Instead of looking at the bottom line; companies have look past the short 
term profits and concentrate on the long term growth. Build a quality 
product that people want to buy and you will make a profit because your 
product is the best.
 Stephen Kellogg


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Bengry" <soundpretty at hotmail.com>
To: <allegro69 at comcast.net>; <tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 1:35 AM
Subject: Re: [TPIN] "True Bach/Primative??


> the hand crafted stuff was checked more thoroughly and carefully as to how 
> the blue printed parts were assembled.  Some of the blue prints varied and 
> the thickness of the metal varied, the types of alloys available before, 
> during, and after both world wars was different. A lot of possible 
> differences.  Early methods may have been slow and perhaps somewhat more 
> difficult if an exact tool was not available.  But that did not mean that 
> the quality standard was not met.  That is what hand crafted horns can 
> have and that is dedication to a standard of construction.  some of the 
> shaping, heating, bending and drawing tubing to size etc cannot be done 
> all that differently than earlier.  Some minute details can only be done 
> by hand.  And only a knowledgeable skilled craftsman knows exactly where 
> to make that minute adjustment.
>
> OK   I'm done now.
>
>
> by the way, Cheri.  What horns and mouthpieces are you using now.  Don't 
> tell me French Besson and NYBach nd Chicago Benge
>
>
> glenn
>
>
>>From: "Allegro69" <allegro69 at comcast.net>
>>To: <tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>,"Glenn Bengry" <soundpretty at hotmail.com>
>>Subject: Re: [TPIN] "True Bach/Primative??
>>Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 01:01:56 -0500
>>
>>You got me on that. Down I go. Perhaps I should have used the terms 
>>'earlier
>>methods' and 'modern methods' rather than 'primitive's and 'improved'. The
>>latter set of terms was what came to mind at the time. The people old man
>>Bach employed then, had the same makeup that people today have. Evolution
>>hasn't changed the human species in the time span of 50 or 60 years. The
>>only difference is the tools and technology they had then as opposed to
>>what's available today. Whatever the case, never did I imply that earlier
>>craftspersons were 'primitive' in the terms you mentioned below. While I
>>greatly appreciate the modern marvels today where I benefit from 
>>computers,
>>CD players and the like, I also greatly appreciate the 'earlier methods'
>>when craftspersons didn't have computers to aid in their work and had to
>>rely more on what nature provided.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Glenn Bengry" <soundpretty at hotmail.com>
>>To: <allegro69 at comcast.net>; <tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
>>Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:10 AM
>>Subject: Re: [TPIN] "True Bach/Primative??
>>
>>
>> > Please explain what you mean by primative.  That is a pretty damning
>>claim
>> > of some method or process used in the past.  If you are going to use 
>> > the
>> > term, then how about telling us what is primative and what is improved.
>>and
>> > why.
>> >
>> > Did old man bach employ homo habilis?  australopithicus?  Homo Erectus
>> > perhaps.
>> >
>> >
>> > glenn
>>
>>
>
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