[TPIN] Andy's mtpc thread returns about kids

[Glenn Bengry]

Guys,
 
   It is interesting that people couldn't quite keep hold of what this topic was about at the beginning
 
   Here we have a fine, experienced teacher offering his experience with young beginners.  Where to start and where to go.
 
He offered his observations which is something that NONE  of us has because Andy's experience is HIS alone.  We can learn from his oservations and successes.  He's not promoting big or small or this or that.
 
    He gave his reasons for creating the BEST STARTING POINT and has had good success in large part because he understands the way the kids learn and how one figures out what DIRECTION to go with a kid.  He made it plain in his first post how he had all these kids going in different directions.  He helped them find the kinds of mouthpieces that would serve them well.
 
   What a fabulous teacher.  My hat is off to you Andy.
 
People mininterpret all over the place. Turn an obsrvation into a criticism.  People insinuate that this is about large piece camp vs the small piece camp.
It's as bad as creating the Bach vs non-Bach camp.  Not really very useful, but ful of antagonism and resentments.  C'mon already.   Andy offered some good stuff about how he helps the little guys get started moving the air through the old chunk of metal.  His experience is priceless and is FOOD FOR THOUGHT for getting people started off well playing this monster.
 
     If y'all have som experience starting kids, tell us what you do with the mouthpiece thing.  What have you learned?  We all want to know.
 
I could give a flying high F(or an H) what you started with.   HOW DID IT WORK?   WHAT  PROBLEMS DID YOU HAVE TO OVERCOME?
 
HOW DO YOU GET THE KID FROM SOUNDING LIKE A GOAT IN NEED OF A HINDLICK MANUEVER?   How can the mouthpiece be part of the solution.
 
They don't get to double C until the end of the 6th grade.  C'mon.
 
 
 
glenn,I love the eyes of a kid who made a great sound for the first time, bengry
 
It's not a race or a competition.> From: trumpetplayer at optusnet.com.au> To: tvjenkins at suddenlink.net; tpin at tpin.okcu.edu> Subject: RE: [TPIN] RE: Big or Small> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:46:09 +1000> CC: > > I should have waited!> > So how does one establish comfort with a kid who is doing something new for> the first time? Get them to try out a range of mouthpieces? Sorry, there's> not enough time in a lesson.> > Then range and timbre? On a starter? I can see it now, enrolling little> Johnny in band. 'I want him to learn screech trumpet.' or 'I want him to> play principale parts only.'> > Most of my kids I can confirm have;> > "teeth and lips, bite, oral cavity > volume, thickness and length of tongue"> > Which all come into playing trumpet. Oh, not all have all their teeth yet!> You may perceive this as sarcasm, but think about it. Your points are going> to be met in the journey from which the point of departure is, in my> teaching case, a 1 1/2C. > > Ask me this - how many kids need to move from this mpc. Ask others, how many> kids starting on the ubiquitous 7C change mouthpieces?> > cheers> > Andy> > > -----Original Message-----> From: tpin-bounces at tpin.okcu.edu [mailto:tpin-bounces at tpin.okcu.edu] On> Behalf Of thomas jenkins> Sent: Friday, 15 June 2007 7:21 AM> To: tpin at tpin.okcu.edu> Subject: [TPIN] RE: Big or Small> > > No one size fits all! Teachers who put all of their players on the > same size mouthpiece are doing them a great injustice. Much > attrition among young trumpet players is the direct result of ill- > fitting mouthpieces. Comfort should be the first criterion.> > Then consider basic generalizations: shallow cups = easier upper register > and brighter timbre; deep cups = easier low register and darker > timbre.> > Confirmation of the teeth and lips, bite, oral cavity > volume, thickness and length of tongue are all physical > characteristics that come into play in fitting a> mouthpiece to a student.> > > _______________________________________________> TPIN mailing list> TPIN at tpin.okcu.edu> http://tpin.okcu.edu/mailman/listinfo/tpin