[TPIN] a lot of modern cornets are hybrids

[Glenn Bengry]

I've said this a time or two before but the big military cornet sections are almost all playing hybrid cornets which are more cylindrical and bright.  The kind of playing they do requires them 
to be a little less "mellow" if you will.  They are not pure cornets anymore.
 
     Part of the conical, taper effect in my view is to make the sound somewhat more diffuse, not as clear.(mellow)  Some nice things about that sound. Sorta smoky in a certain kind of way.  It also softens(camouflages) certain imperfections of the sound and pitch that would be less tolerable on a trumpet.  More flexible, somewhat less centered.
 
     This observation will likely irritate some people.  That's ok .  It usually brings out some real discussion.
 
glenn
 
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x> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:30:03 -0700> From: pdhuse at pacbell.net> To: gareth at capecod.net> Subject: Re: [TPIN] Cornet/Trumpet> CC: tpin at tpin.okcu.edu; Achias1 at mchsi.com> > I think there was a greater difference between trumpets and cornet at the end of > the 19th and beginning of the 20th centuries (maybe through the 20's?). It > looks, to me, as the trumpet became more popular, and the standard soprano brass > instrument, manufacturers adopted more cornet like "features" (bore size, shape, > etc.) into trumpets, so they'd be more versatile/flexible than before.> > Comments?> > Gareth wrote:> > Achias1 at mchsi.com wrote:> >> I'm enjoying the discourse on bore tapers and trumpets/cornets; and now,> >> although I've been playing and teaching for over 30 years, I have to > >> ask: what> >> is the difference between a cornet and a trumpet?> >>> >> My uneducated take:> >>> >> Cornets have more of a conical-shaped bore versus the trumpet's more > >> cylindrical> >> bore (although our recent discussion has been proving that wrong). > >> Flugelhorns> >> have an even more pronounced conical shape resulting in their sound > >> being less> >> bright than trumpets.> >>> >> Cornets have an overall smaller bore than trumpets (although my Conn > >> Victor> >> cornet's bore is larger than most trumpets that I've played).> >>> >> Cornets have the same tubing length as trumpets but are wrapped around > >> more> >> times, making them look shorter (except for my Conn Connstellation > >> cornet that> >> is wrapped just like a trumpet).> >>> >> So, just what is the real difference between trumpets and cornets?> >>> >> Dave> > > > When I was in school, we were taught that the basic difference was that > > a cornet was 2/3 conical - 1/3 cylindrical, and the trumpet was 1/4 > > conical and 3/4 cylindrical. I feel reasonably sure the Prof meant that > > as a approximation. That was many decades ago and the thinking on this > > has probably changed as it has for almost everything. 120 years ago the > > trumpet was considered to be a harsh and in the view of many unpleasant. > > The cornet was the king, for its lyrical qualities and suppleness.> > > > Gary Crispell> > Cape Cod USA> > > > _______________________________________________> > TPIN mailing list> > TPIN at tpin.okcu.edu> > http://tpin.okcu.edu/mailman/listinfo/tpin> > > > > -- > "Ah, the trumpet. Now there's an instrument on which one can truly embarrass > himself!" (G. Keillor to G. Bordner)> > Paul Dhuse Home (408)985-7149 Mobile (408)318-1161> _______________________________________________> TPIN mailing list> TPIN at tpin.okcu.edu> http://tpin.okcu.edu/mailman/listinfo/tpin