[TPIN] Monette for sale

Sun Sep 2 01:32:13 CDT 2007

John,

I agree we all have bias.  I disagree in that some have checked their 
biases in this instance, and in fact jumped to conclusions based on 
half truths, or ignorance of the situation.  In the face of some 
pretty interesting information that changes the light on the subject 
entirely, the man still faces criticism.

Likely no maker in the history of instruments has faced the 
polarizing effects that David has on the trumpet world.  And, even 
today, the mention of his name with anything positive on this list, 
on trumpet herald, or any of a number of other places causes 
consternation and ill will.

It is disappointing to see that this forum has only marginally grown 
in 10 years on this subject.

AL

At 2:00 PM -0500 9/1/07, Daniel,John in an electronic message offered 
the following:
>If by "bias" we mean a predisposition to believe one thing vs. 
>another, then bias is just another word for experience.
>The issue is if the bias is justified and/or outdated etc. We all 
>have our biases.  This forum is an excellent way to identify, 
>compare and contrast our biases.  One common bias, for example, is 
>to believe something is worth more because it costs more.  Intrinsic 
>values, vs. market values, vs. musical values are very much bias 
>(experience) driven.  The friction between the Monette owners and 
>nonowners is often a friction between biases, and we all have them.
>John
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>On Sat, 1 Sep 2007 11:03:28 -0400
>  "Dr. Albert L. Lilly III" <albert.lilly at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>At 6:56 AM -0500 9/1/07, tpin-request at tpin.okcu.edu wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>In a message dated 8/31/2007 7:11:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
>>>manderson at okcu.edu writes:
>>>
>>>They are  very soft and damage easily. It looks very precarious to  me.
>>>
>>>MA
>>>
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>>>
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>>>Geez, I am trying to stay out of this, but I just can't. This is part  of
>>>what I have had against Monette horns all along.  You pay a 
>>>zillion dollars for
>>>one, but it is too soft, or too delicate, or too whatever to take  the usual
>>>use of a trumpet. (A Tool that most of us have to use to conduct 
>>>our business.)
>>>Also, please, someone tell us about the "tune-up" that you must 
>>>have done that costs a couple of hundred dollars?  I'm not sure 
>>>how often this is supposed to happen.
>>>As someone else said in a different way, I'll take my Getzen any day.   Good
>>>reliable horn that will take the usual road stuff and "keep on  coming."  A
>>>good sound, great valves, and very easy to play.  Even in Gold, a bargain
>>>compared to a Monette.
>>>Mike Vax
>>
>>
>>Mike, Mike, Mike......I'm slapping down the bullcrap card.
>>
>>You've done nothing but bust on Monette here for the last four days.
>>
>>At least be honest enough to admit you are NOT a good source to 
>>talk in an unbiased manner on Monette or his product, because it is 
>>exceptionally clear to anyone who can read that you are not.
>>
>>You are a great player, and have given a lot of good advice on many 
>>subjects here.  But your bias here is showing, as well as (*on this 
>>subject only*) your ignorance.
>>
>>Monette has never charged me a dime for "tune-up".  If you are the 
>>original owner of a horn, he sends out all of the o-rings, valve 
>>felts and springs, bungy cords, and other materials for your horn 
>>free.  He charges for a chem cleaning if you have it done, and asks 
>>that you ship it FedEx to avoid damage in shipment.  He took a ping 
>>out of a slide for free, realigned my valve cluster (with proper 
>>felts, and sent a few sets that match) for free.
>>
>>The only thing you really cannot do with a Monette is use a trumpet 
>>stand, and even Maynard did that with his, so.....
>>
>>Don't be so believing of all the negative stuff you read.
>>
>>Al
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Trumpeter, Brass Clinician, Arranger and Composer  
Calendar Editor, International Trumpet Guild  http://www.trumpetguild.org 
Endorsing Scholastic Educator, Vic Firth Incorporated, http://www.vicfirth.com
Lilly Music Services -  http://www.lillymusic.org
Personal home page - http://www.lillymusic.org/alilly.html
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