[TPIN] Market pricing/Eb-D intonation

[Daniel,John]

Glenn,
I'm with you on this one, Glenn.  I've spent considerable 
time training my ears.  It never seems like enough.  I 
practically have a Dr. Beat implant in my brain and can 
remember the difference between mm=96 vs. mm=100.  As a 
jazz player, I can play by ear better than most.  But I 
think Louis Davidson had it right when he said, "the price 
of good intonation is constant vigilence."  It is so easy 
for our ears to calibrate, decalibrate, and recalibrate 
themselves.  I pretty much can do without a metronome for 
weeks at a time and still remember tempi accurately. 
 Tuning to me requires much more vigilance.

I can't tell you how many times I have bought mouthpieces 
or leadpipes on days when my sense of pitch was not at 
it's best.  I know we are easily fooled in this area.
John



On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:41:29 -0400
  Glenn Bengry <soundpretty at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Joe and guys,
> 
>     I am always interested when people say that the 
>intonation on a horn is superb or other complimentary 
>terms.  What does that mean exactly?  Even on the finest 
>Bb's, the pitch tendencies still exist, and the horns are 
>out of tune to an extent.  We have to learn to play them 
>in tune.
> 
>    It also seems that as we go to the higher pitched 
>trumpets, the intonation problems become more pronounced. 
> C's are much worse than Bb's and the higher horns are 
>yet more troublesome.  Middle g is low, A is high, the B 
>and C are high, the D, Eb, and E are very low, The F is 
>deceptively high, the F# high, the G on top the staff is 
>almost unplayably sharp on a lot of horns, good horns 
>too.
> 
> 
>   Can you be more specific about which of these 
>tendencies are improved on these horns.  Hey, if they 
>play good and are pretty good in tune, sign me up.
> 
> BTW, if you put a toilet bowl mouthpiece in it will it 
>sound orchestral?
> 
> glenn
> 
> x
> 
> x
>> > Michael,> > It is not the long bell, nor is it a 
>>tuneable bell. However, it appears > well made, the 
>>intonation really is superb, and the sound quality is > 
>>also. I am not sure I would choose it to ride on top of a 
>>40 piece > string section, but for chamber and solo 
>>repertoire I think that it is > an excellent horn, 
>>regardless of the cost. It has amado water keys, > Monel 
>>pistons, and the plating (silver) has no flaws that I 
>>have > detected. Have I mentioned that the intonation and 
>>sound are outstanding?> > Joe> > >>> >>I have an Eastman 
>>Eb/D that I bought from Anaheim Band. It is, in my 
>>opinion,> >>an *excellent* horn. It's cost to me was $965 
>>and, I know this is sacrilege,> >>but it plays as well as 
>>the $2000 - $2500 Eb/D's out there. I live about 5> 
>>>>hours from Anaheim band, so a really nice professinal 
>>that I met from L.A.,> >>Rich Chasin, went up and played 
>>several that they had and picked this one out> >>for me. 
>>It's made in China, and I'm not sure how I feel about 
>>that, but the> >>quality/price ratio is so high that I 
>>had to buy it.> >>> >>Joe Caddell> 
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