[TPIN] Market pricing/Eb-D intonation

[Daniel,John]

I was looking at some pictures of him playing the other 
day.  His embouchure looked about this same in all 
registers.  You can tell he was able to command the 
trumpet.
John




On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:02:14 -0500 (CDT)
  "Ellis Workman" <elw at workman-net.org> wrote:
> I studied with LOUIS DAVIDSON at IU in 68-72.
> He had utterly no time for the idea that a horn was out
> of tune. Another quote of his (in lessons) was; "that
> note was in tune because "I" played it in tune." He
> seemed to expect little from his horn and much
> from himself.
> 
> Having said that, some horns are worse than others.
> 
> -Ellis
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, September 2, 2007 8:24 am, Daniel,John said:
>> Glenn,
>> I'm with you on this one, Glenn.  I've spent 
>>considerable
>> time training my ears.  It never seems like enough.  I
>> practically have a Dr. Beat implant in my brain and can
>> remember the difference between mm=96 vs. mm=100.  As a
>> jazz player, I can play by ear better than most.  But I
>> think Louis Davidson had it right when he said, "the 
>>price
>> of good intonation is constant vigilence."  It is so 
>>easy
>> for our ears to calibrate, decalibrate, and recalibrate
>> themselves.  I pretty much can do without a metronome 
>>for
>> weeks at a time and still remember tempi accurately.
>>  Tuning to me requires much more vigilance.
>>
>> I can't tell you how many times I have bought 
>>mouthpieces
>> or leadpipes on days when my sense of pitch was not at
>> it's best.  I know we are easily fooled in this area.
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:41:29 -0400
>>   Glenn Bengry <soundpretty at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Joe and guys,
>>>
>>>     I am always interested when people say that the
>>>intonation on a horn is superb or other complimentary
>>>terms.  What does that mean exactly?  Even on the finest
>>>Bb's, the pitch tendencies still exist, and the horns are
>>>out of tune to an extent.  We have to learn to play them
>>>in tune.
>>>
>>>    It also seems that as we go to the higher pitched
>>>trumpets, the intonation problems become more pronounced.
>>> C's are much worse than Bb's and the higher horns are
>>>yet more troublesome.  Middle g is low, A is high, the B
>>>and C are high, the D, Eb, and E are very low, The F is
>>>deceptively high, the F# high, the G on top the staff is
>>>almost unplayably sharp on a lot of horns, good horns
>>>too.
>>>
>>>
>>>   Can you be more specific about which of these
>>>tendencies are improved on these horns.  Hey, if they
>>>play good and are pretty good in tune, sign me up.
>>>
>>> BTW, if you put a toilet bowl mouthpiece in it will it
>>>sound orchestral?
>>>
>>> glenn
>>>
>>> x
>>>
>>> x
>>>> > Michael,> > It is not the long bell, nor is it a
>>>>tuneable bell. However, it appears > well made, the
>>>>intonation really is superb, and the sound quality is >
>>>>also. I am not sure I would choose it to ride on top of a
>>>>40 piece > string section, but for chamber and solo
>>>>repertoire I think that it is > an excellent horn,
>>>>regardless of the cost. It has amado water keys, > Monel
>>>>pistons, and the plating (silver) has no flaws that I
>>>>have > detected. Have I mentioned that the intonation and
>>>>sound are outstanding?> > Joe> > >>> >>I have an Eastman
>>>>Eb/D that I bought from Anaheim Band. It is, in my
>>>>opinion,> >>an *excellent* horn. It's cost to me was $965
>>>>and, I know this is sacrilege,> >>but it plays as well as
>>>>the $2000 - $2500 Eb/D's out there. I live about 5>
>>>>>>hours from Anaheim band, so a really nice professinal
>>>>that I met from L.A.,> >>Rich Chasin, went up and played
>>>>several that they had and picked this one out> >>for me.
>>>>It's made in China, and I'm not sure how I feel about
>>>>that, but the> >>quality/price ratio is so high that I
>>>>had to buy it.> >>> >>Joe Caddell>
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