[TPIN] Monette/Engineering/I wanna know

[Glenn Bengry]

Al,
 
      My post below is a series of questions and a statement that would say that it is pretty difficult to say what the design history of the last 150 years is to even have a discussion.  You are right about the fact that it probably isn't really a useful discussion regarding the engineering.   Dave knows plenty.  To discount all those that have come before and their knowledge and developments is to do a disservice to the discussion.
 
I'm not sure how you can portend to know what my beliefs are if you haven't sat down and talked with me all day for a coupla weeks.  If you think you can tell what all my beliefs are from the little that I've said here, then you underestimate me.
 
    
     If you say you can blow me out of the water, have at me.  Why would you think that my eyes are closed, my mind is shut, my ears are silent(well they are actually silent.  you got me there)and that the belief has set in?
 
     I wanna learn as bad as anybody out there.  If you can show me any errors in my perception or educate me on stuff I dont' know, and handle any questions I have or any questioning of the ideas presented, then let's go.  I'm willing to change my position on anything if I have good reason to do so.
 
I'm all EAR(I only have one, sorry.  but it works)
 
 
glenn, just because I'm an idiot doesn't mean I can't learn, bengry
 
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 > > At 12:37 PM -0400 9/2/07, Glenn Bengry in an electronic message > offered the following:> > >> >> In my conversations with Dave Monette I can say without qualification that> >> he believes in himself and walks his talk.> >> >> >> >What do you mean "he walks his talk?"> >> >> >> > Is his direction in> >> re-engineering the trumpet correct? Any engineer knows that there are trade> >> offs. Without people like Monette pushing the envelope on engineering, the> >> only direction we have prevailing in trumpet construction is mass production> >> in Asia.> >> >> >> >> >How do you know what engineering is going on in trumpet construction? > >> > Are you saying that all the makers and individuals out there are > >not making discoveries in the design and engineering? do you even > >know who all the designers are? there are a few guys out there > >still alive and designing that personally knew the Besson family, > >Vincent Bach, Bill Tottle, Elden Benge, Renold Schilke, Gene > >Pilzcuk,etc and still designs with Doc Severinson and Zig Kanstul. > >He forgot more than Dave Monette will ever know. These guys didn't > >tell the world their secrets. You would never know what > >revolutionary discoveries they made, are making or are> >incorporating into their instruments.Many of them are things you can't see.> >> >> >> >If you are convinced that there are no design and engineering > >developments going on, then perhaps Dave has succeeded with his > >marketing strategy.> >> >> >glenn> >> > I had prepared a huge reply blowing you out of the water on this > subject Glenn, but I can see that no reply I would possibly make > would in any way compete with the beliefs you hold regarding this > subject, and will refrain from further replies. When the eyes go > shut, and the mind closed, the ears go silent, and the belief is set, > no amount of discussion will change an opinion, and no one on TPIN > benefits from that continued spiral downward. I can see both sides > of the coin in this consideration. I know Dave's shortcomings. I > know my own.> > Continuing this discussion will only precipitate more of mine....so I will not.> > AL> > -- > ___________________________________________________________> Dr. Albert L. Lilly III - mailto:albert.lilly at sbcglobal.net> Trumpeter, Brass Clinician, Arranger and Composer > Calendar Editor, International Trumpet Guild http://www.trumpetguild.org > Endorsing Scholastic Educator, Vic Firth Incorporated, http://www.vicfirth.com> Lilly Music Services - http://www.lillymusic.org> Personal home page - http://www.lillymusic.org/alilly.html> ___________________________________________________________