[TPIN] Monette/Engineering/I wanna know

[fields at stanford.edu]

cold, no I won't say your heart is cold....


ain't love legrand?

when i told charley davis that someone had written that he could blow  
miles davis out of the water, he just laughed.  "apples and oranges,  
apples and oranges."  i loved charley davis.

ken fields




Quoting Glenn Bengry <soundpretty at hotmail.com>:

>
> Al,
>
>       My post below is a series of questions and a statement that   
> would say that it is pretty difficult to say what the design history  
>  of the last 150 years is to even have a discussion.  You are right   
> about the fact that it probably isn't really a useful discussion   
> regarding the engineering.   Dave knows plenty.  To discount all   
> those that have come before and their knowledge and developments is   
> to do a disservice to the discussion.
>
> I'm not sure how you can portend to know what my beliefs are if you   
> haven't sat down and talked with me all day for a coupla weeks.  If   
> you think you can tell what all my beliefs are from the little that   
> I've said here, then you underestimate me.
>
>
>      If you say you can blow me out of the water, have at me.  Why   
> would you think that my eyes are closed, my mind is shut, my ears   
> are silent(well they are actually silent.  you got me there)and that  
>  the belief has set in?
>
>      I wanna learn as bad as anybody out there.  If you can show me   
> any errors in my perception or educate me on stuff I dont' know, and  
>  handle any questions I have or any questioning of the ideas   
> presented, then let's go.  I'm willing to change my position on   
> anything if I have good reason to do so.
>
> I'm all EAR(I only have one, sorry.  but it works)
>
>
> glenn, just because I'm an idiot doesn't mean I can't learn, bengry
>
> x
>
> x
>
>  > > At 12:37 PM -0400 9/2/07, Glenn Bengry in an electronic message  
>  > offered the following:> > >> >> In my conversations with Dave   
> Monette I can say without qualification that> >> he believes in   
> himself and walks his talk.> >> >> >> >What do you mean "he walks   
> his talk?"> >> >> >> > Is his direction in> >> re-engineering the   
> trumpet correct? Any engineer knows that there are trade> >> offs.   
> Without people like Monette pushing the envelope on engineering,   
> the> >> only direction we have prevailing in trumpet construction is  
>  mass production> >> in Asia.> >> >> >> >> >How do you know what   
> engineering is going on in trumpet construction? > >> > Are you   
> saying that all the makers and individuals out there are > >not   
> making discoveries in the design and engineering? do you even >   
> >know who all the designers are? there are a few guys out there >   
> >still alive and designing that personally knew the Besson family, >  
>  >Vincent Bach, Bill Tottle, Elden Benge, Renold Schilke, Gene >   
> >Pilzcuk,etc and still designs with Doc Severinson and Zig Kanstul.   
> > >He forgot more than Dave Monette will ever know. These guys   
> didn't > >tell the world their secrets. You would never know what >   
> >revolutionary discoveries they made, are making or are>   
> >incorporating into their instruments.Many of them are things you   
> can't see.> >> >> >> >If you are convinced that there are no design   
> and engineering > >developments going on, then perhaps Dave has   
> succeeded with his > >marketing strategy.> >> >> >glenn> >> > I had   
> prepared a huge reply blowing you out of the water on this > subject  
>  Glenn, but I can see that no reply I would possibly make > would in  
>  any way compete with the beliefs you hold regarding this > subject,  
>  and will refrain from further replies. When the eyes go > shut, and  
>  the mind closed, the ears go silent, and the belief is set, > no   
> amount of discussion will change an opinion, and no one on TPIN >   
> benefits from that continued spiral downward. I can see both sides >  
>  of the coin in this consideration. I know Dave's shortcomings. I >   
> know my own.> > Continuing this discussion will only precipitate   
> more of mine....so I will not.> > AL> > -- >   
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