[TPIN] Re: TPIN Digest, Vol 38, Issue 58
Joe Bertin
joebertin at zoominternet.net
Wed Apr 23 20:42:42 EDT 2008
Hi Chad,
Here is one of several documentaries on the suppression of
information, and denial of contact with other intelligent species:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qns2W6CVpPw&feature=related
STS-75 NASA footage: (tether incident)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuFBUS0kiSA
These things are all interrelated.
You will come to see this in your lifetime.
Let me know what you think.
Love,
Dad
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> 1. Re: Age of Benge horn (trptjoe at aol.com)
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> 3. Re: recommend a trumpet teacher and store in Bay Area
> California (Jon)
> 4. RE: recommend a trumpet teacher and store in Bay Area
> California (Eric Edwards)
> 5. Re: recommend a trumpet teacher and store in Bay Area
> California (Joanne Sun)
> 6. Re: recommend a trumpet teacher and store in Bay Area
> California (Joanne Sun)
> 7. Re: recommend a trumpet teacher and store in Bay Area
> California (Paul Dhuse)
> 8. RE: WAGE QUESTION (Mark Deaton)
> 9. Re: recommend a trumpet teacher and store in Bay Area
> California (Joanne Sun)
> 10. Re: recommend a trumpet teacher and store in Bay Area
> California (Timothy Smith)
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> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:29:44 -0400
> From: trptjoe at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [TPIN] Age of Benge horn
> To: JFDonaldsn at aol.com, michaelp.h at charter.net, tpin at tpin.okcu.edu
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> I'd put it at 1976. They made about 2000 horns a year at that point.
>
>
>
> All the dates on this page
>
> http://www.musicbyjoelill.com/benge/dates.htm
>
> came from original owners of the instruments or their relatives (or from
> the original receipts/letters that accompanied the horns); none are
> estimations.
>
>
>
>
> Joe
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: JFDonaldsn at aol.com
> To: michaelp.h at charter.net; tpin at tpin.okcu.edu
> Sent: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 1:26 pm
> Subject: Re: [TPIN] Age of Benge horn
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>> I have a 16407 serial number Benge trumpet that I purchased new in 1973.
>> I
>> am looking at a 197XX serial number MLP horn as a horn for a student.
>>
>> Questions --
>>
>> any idea what the age is of this? I'd guess 1974- or 1975 but I have no
>> idea
>> how many horns were made in a years time back in the 70's
>>
>
> 1975. See http://www.whc.net/rjones/callet.html for the list. They made
> about
> 4,000 horns that year, earlier less, later more.
>
>> What is the difference in a ML and MLP?? hat are the differences in the
>> way
>> the MLP plays versus the ML? This horn has a "3" on the bell and MLP on
>> the
>> 2nd valve. My 16407 horn has ML on the 2nd valve, and no marking on the
>> Bell.
>>
> ML stands for Medium Large (0.460), MLP stands for Medium Large Plus
> (0.464).
> The Plus is more open, more like a large bore. The model number (a single
> digit between 1 and 7) is either found on the bell or on the ferrule that
> attached the bell tail to the first valve stud. If there isn't a number on
> either
> place, it is a 3.
>
> For more specs, check this out (1972 Benge product list):
> http://www.dallasmusic.org/gearhead/Images/BengePriceListBack.GIF
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>     Jim Donaldson   Â
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> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:25:00 -0700
> From: "Joanne Sun" <joannehsun at gmail.com>
> Subject: [TPIN] recommend a trumpet teacher and store in Bay Area
> California
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> Please help. Thanks!
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> From: "Jon" <jon at yakatus.com>
> Subject: Re: [TPIN] recommend a trumpet teacher and store in Bay Area
> California
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> Little more detail would be helpful... Lots of teachers and stores around
> here. Macy's is having a sale this week... :)
>
> Jon
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> Subject: [TPIN] recommend a trumpet teacher and store in Bay Area
> California
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>> Please help. Thanks!
>
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> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:36:58 -0500
> From: "Eric Edwards" <eric at elsjledwards.net>
> Subject: RE: [TPIN] recommend a trumpet teacher and store in Bay Area
> California
> To: "'Joanne Sun'" <joannehsun at gmail.com>, "TPIN" <tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
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> A & G Music in Oakland, talk to Dick Akright.
> 510-832-2452
>
> Also known as Best Instrument Repair.
>
> Thanks
> Eric
>
>
> Eric, Leandra, Sara, Jared & Lily
> Edwards
>
> "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low
> price has faded"
> "The wise man, when he holds his tongue, says more than the fool when he
> speaks"
> "If you must choose between two evils, choose the one you haven't tried
> yet."
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: "Joanne Sun" <joannehsun at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TPIN] recommend a trumpet teacher and store in Bay Area
> California
> To: Jon <jon at yakatus.com>
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> Around San Mateo area. Oh I did not know Macy has trumpet. Thank you.
>
> On 4/23/08, Jon <jon at yakatus.com> wrote:
>>
>> Little more detail would be helpful... Lots of teachers and stores around
>> here. Macy's is having a sale this week... :)
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne Sun" <joannehsun at gmail.com>
>> To: <tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 1:25 PM
>> Subject: [TPIN] recommend a trumpet teacher and store in Bay Area
>> California
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>> Please help. Thanks!
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> From: "Joanne Sun" <joannehsun at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TPIN] recommend a trumpet teacher and store in Bay Area
> California
> To: "Eric Edwards" <eric at elsjledwards.net>
> Cc: TPIN <tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
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> Thanks much for the info. I will try to pay a visit but I have never been
> to
> Oakland yet.
>
> On 4/23/08, Eric Edwards <eric at elsjledwards.net> wrote:
>>
>> A & G Music in Oakland, talk to Dick Akright.
>> 510-832-2452
>>
>> Also known as Best Instrument Repair.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> Eric, Leandra, Sara, Jared & Lily
>> Edwards
>>
>> "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low
>> price has faded"
>> "The wise man, when he holds his tongue, says more than the fool when he
>> speaks"
>> "If you must choose between two evils, choose the one you haven't tried
>> yet."
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tpin-bounces+eric=elsjledwards.net at tpin.okcu.edu
>> [mailto:tpin-bounces+eric <tpin-bounces%2Beric>=
>> elsjledwards.net at tpin.okcu.edu] On Behalf Of
>> Joanne Sun
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 3:25 PM
>> To: tpin at tpin.okcu.edu
>> Subject: [TPIN] recommend a trumpet teacher and store in Bay Area
>> California
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> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:13:22 -0700
> From: Paul Dhuse <pdhuse at pacbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [TPIN] recommend a trumpet teacher and store in Bay Area
> California
> To: Joanne Sun <joannehsun at gmail.com>, "Trumpet Players' International
> Network" <tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
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> Musical instrument stores in the SF Bay area:
>
> Bronstein's in South San Fransisco
> Starving Musician in Santa Clara
> World of Music in Cupertino
> West Valley Music in Mountain View
> Brass Gurus in Palo Alto.
>
> Are you looking for professional or student instruments? Trumpets, I take
> it.
>
> Joanne Sun wrote:
>> Please help. Thanks!
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> embarrass
> himself!" (G. Keillor to G. Bordner)
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:16:23 -0400
> From: "Mark Deaton" <mdeaton at ix.netcom.com>
> Subject: RE: [TPIN] WAGE QUESTION
> To: <Tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
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> I'm no longer making any real portion of my living as a musician, but when
> I was (25 years ago), the musician's union was more of a burden than a
> help. Certain gigs were union-only jobs, so you had to be a member in
> order to play. Ringling Bros' Circus was this way. Union scale in 1984,
> when I played the circus for a summer, was $35 per service.
>
> Most recently, I was playing jazz gigs in Charleston, SC (before moving
> last year), and I was getting $50 to $75 a night for my bar/restaurant
> gigs, but as much as $200 a night for private parties. Depended on who
> you knew and what the occasion was.
>
> The union is most active (and helpful) with major symphonies.
>
> For solo performances, such as weddings, I was getting $100 to $150, which
> included the rehearsal and the performance. That was in 2007 in
> Charleston, SC.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Mark Deaton
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tpin-bounces+mdeaton=ix.netcom.com at tpin.okcu.edu
> [mailto:tpin-bounces+mdeaton=ix.netcom.com at tpin.okcu.edu] On Behalf Of
> scharcass at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:41 PM
> To: Tpin at tpin.okcu.edu
> Subject: [TPIN] WAGE QUESTION
>
> �PROFESSIONAL AND SEMI-PRO.....WHAT IS CONSIDERED A REASONABLE WAGE IN
> THE MUSIC BUSINESS TODAY? �TALKING ABOUT BANDS AS WELL AS THE INDIVIDUAL
> .
> Since I live in a small town, the amount offered is at best GAS MONEY...OF
> COURSE, �If we have shows from outside the area. I am sure they get the
> going rate?�
>
> Is the MUSICIANS�UNION STILL ACTIVE.?..AND DO YOU THINK THAT THEY WOULD
> BE ANY HELP IN WAGE DISPUTES? THANKING YOU ALL ON THE LIST FOR YOUR
> CONTINUED HELP....
>
> RICK �S
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:20:50 -0700
> From: "Joanne Sun" <joannehsun at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TPIN] recommend a trumpet teacher and store in Bay Area
> California
> To: "Paul Dhuse" <pdhuse at pacbell.net>
> Cc: Trumpet Players' International Network <tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
> Message-ID:
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> Thanks. I hope the quality of the student trumpet won't stop me from a
> performance in a non-commerical band. Otherwise I have to buy a
> professional
> one. This time I have to go in a store in person to make sure the parts
> are
> correct and hopefully it works. I could not order it online any more. Last
> time I ordered a sax online. Friends said the parts do not look right and
> it
> could not be assembled right. I could not tell it is the instrument's
> problem or my problem when some sound does not come out. Finally I
> returned
> it.
>
> Another question is: do I have the gift to learn trumpet at this time? Is
> there a pre-screening test to admit me as a student or not? Anyway I am
> still confident on my part. Just to make sure the instrument is ok.
>
> Thank you.
> On 4/23/08, Paul Dhuse <pdhuse at pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>> Musical instrument stores in the SF Bay area:
>>
>> Bronstein's in South San Fransisco
>> Starving Musician in Santa Clara
>> World of Music in Cupertino
>> West Valley Music in Mountain View
>> Brass Gurus in Palo Alto.
>>
>> Are you looking for professional or student instruments? Trumpets, I
>> take
>> it.
>>
>> Joanne Sun wrote:
>>
>> > Please help. Thanks!
>> > _______________________________________________
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>>
>> --
>> "Ah, the trumpet. Now there's an instrument on which one can truly
>> embarrass himself!" (G. Keillor to G. Bordner)
>>
>> Paul Dhuse Home (408)985-7149 Mobile (408)318-1161
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:37:28 -0700
> From: Timothy Smith <Tsmith at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [TPIN] recommend a trumpet teacher and store in Bay Area
> California
> To: Joanne Sun <joannehsun at gmail.com>
> Cc: Trumpet Players' International Network <tpin at tpin.okcu.edu>
> Message-ID: <480FAC18.20809 at sbcglobal.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
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> Eric Bolvin is a Trumpet Teacher in the Bay Area...last I heard. Sorry,
> I don't have his information.
>
> Tim Smith
>
> Joanne Sun wrote:
>> Thanks. I hope the quality of the student trumpet won't stop me from a
>> performance in a non-commerical band. Otherwise I have to buy a
>> professional
>> one. This time I have to go in a store in person to make sure the parts
>> are
>> correct and hopefully it works. I could not order it online any more.
>> Last
>> time I ordered a sax online. Friends said the parts do not look right and
>> it
>> could not be assembled right. I could not tell it is the instrument's
>> problem or my problem when some sound does not come out. Finally I
>> returned
>> it.
>>
>> Another question is: do I have the gift to learn trumpet at this time? Is
>> there a pre-screening test to admit me as a student or not? Anyway I am
>> still confident on my part. Just to make sure the instrument is ok.
>>
>> Thank you.
>> On 4/23/08, Paul Dhuse <pdhuse at pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Musical instrument stores in the SF Bay area:
>>>
>>> Bronstein's in South San Fransisco
>>> Starving Musician in Santa Clara
>>> World of Music in Cupertino
>>> West Valley Music in Mountain View
>>> Brass Gurus in Palo Alto.
>>>
>>> Are you looking for professional or student instruments? Trumpets, I
>>> take
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Joanne Sun wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Please help. Thanks!
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TPIN mailing list
>>>> TPIN at tpin.okcu.edu
>>>> http://tpin.okcu.edu/mailman/listinfo/tpin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> "Ah, the trumpet. Now there's an instrument on which one can truly
>>> embarrass himself!" (G. Keillor to G. Bordner)
>>>
>>> Paul Dhuse Home (408)985-7149 Mobile (408)318-1161
>>>
>>>
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